Is 1 a square number?

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Feb 24, 2014 at 4:44pm
closed account (EwCjE3v7)
Well my teacher said it's not counted but 1 * 1 = 1.
What's your opinion on it?
Feb 24, 2014 at 4:55pm
Wikipedia and OEIS agrees with you: http://oeis.org/A000290
Feb 24, 2014 at 5:01pm
Yup it is.

Like you said 12 = 1 hence it is a square number. 0 is also a square number.
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Feb 24, 2014 at 8:24pm
closed account (EwCjE3v7)
Thank you guys, I can prove my teacher wrong for once(I was right all along :))
Feb 24, 2014 at 11:21pm
You sure she didn't mean prime? 'Cause you'll often have "all primes excluding one" or just not include one when dealing with primes.
Feb 24, 2014 at 11:58pm
1 is not considered prime in mathematics. Here is a neat explanation by Dr. James Grime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQofiPqhJ_s
Feb 25, 2014 at 1:55am
Well there you go.
Feb 25, 2014 at 8:16pm
closed account (EwCjE3v7)
Yea I'm sure, Ibtold her today about it anyway. And thanks for that Ibwill check it out now
Feb 26, 2014 at 2:53pm
You dont need a mathematical explanation... Just to use the correct definition.
A prime number has exactly 2 integer factors.

With that definition 1 is ruled out as it's only got 1 factor which is 1.

As for the rest 1 is a square, triangle, cubic, quartic, etc number... Same with 0 except for the triangle.
Feb 26, 2014 at 3:01pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_number
0 is triangular.

> A prime number has exactly 2 integer factors.
> With that definition 1 is ruled out as it's only got 1 factor which is 1.
1 may be divided by 1, or by -1
it has 2 integer factors

> Just to use the correct definition.
A natural number greater or equal than 2 is prime if...


By the way, if you allow complex factors then 13 is not prime
13 = (3+j2) (3-j2)
Last edited on Feb 26, 2014 at 3:05pm
Feb 26, 2014 at 5:43pm
@ ne555: Since when can a negative number be a factor? Or is this a different use of the word "factor" then for example: "Factors of '12' are '2' and '3' "?

EDIT: I'm not trying to butt heads by the way, this is a legitimate question on my part.

EDIT 2: Never mind, I'm so used to seeing complex numbers written with the variable on the right hand side of the mutiplicand that it took me a minute to realize that it's just a binomial you wrote and not something more complex. I'm chalking this one up to my American education.
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Feb 26, 2014 at 6:23pm
Dividing by -1 just makes a positive number negative or vice-versa.

The proper definition of a prime is that it has two positive integer factors, itself and one.

You can get completely different primes in complex numbers and also if you start using other counting systems.
Feb 26, 2014 at 6:28pm
@ne555: Why do you put the j before the coefficient? Is this some convention I was taught wrong/not taught about?
Feb 26, 2014 at 6:40pm
Well, j is just a number denoting sqrt(-1). You can write 2×3, 3×2 or 2×e, e×2, 5×j, j×5 and it will be correct. It is just your preference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_number#Notation
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Feb 26, 2014 at 6:47pm
I know, but I am used to the convention that letter values, whether they are const or variable, go after coefficients. I didn't know if my understand of this convention was incorrect.
Feb 27, 2014 at 7:29pm
Also, it is worth stating that any prime number that can be represented as the sum of two squares has got complex factors with integer coefficients.
Mathematically:
If p^2+q^2 (where p and q are integers) is prime the it has complex factors:
(p+jq)(p-jq)
and
(q+jp)(q-jp)

At least that is what I understand to be true.
Last edited on Feb 27, 2014 at 7:30pm
Feb 27, 2014 at 7:46pm
Er, I know some math, but why are we using j for √(-1) instead of i?

And, while integer multiplication is commutative, it is standard to write the coefficient first, so that (3+j2) is universally understood when written (3+2i).
Feb 27, 2014 at 7:53pm
j is often uses instead of i in physics because of name clashing here. Wiki link I provided before mentions it.
Feb 27, 2014 at 7:54pm
In electronics they use j instead of i.
[edit]So they don't mix it up with current.
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Feb 28, 2014 at 10:52am
Well then ne555, I'll correct my definition to say that a prime is a number that contains only one pair of positive factors.

Even though you're just being picky because I'm sure everyone knew exactly what I meant.
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